Broadbottom?

[philuttley]

Hi

Not sure whether the Tameside 'boundary' covers Broadbottom but here goes.

I was researching the MOSS family in the 1871 census and saw that they lived at the Laylands, Hattersley. After this, they moved to Newton and I wondered why.

The only reference I can find to 'Laylands' anywhere near Hattersley is from a 1899 map which shows a building called Leylands just below Broadbottom . The road that this building is on is now Leylands Lane.

I'd usually be a bit sceptical about this 'link' except that, just above the building, the road changes its name to MOSS Lane

Is anyone familiar with this area and know anything about its history that might shed any light on the MOSS family.

On earlier censuses, the MOSS family had lived just above the Leylands at Hodge Fold which was at the junction of MOSS Lane and Hodge Lane

[caletaman]

I have just found your post.
Yes, I have lots of information about the Moss family from Broadbottom, but mainly from before the time you mention (1871). Edward Moss (after whom I believe Moss Lane was named) was my 3 x GGF, he was born in Mossley in 1756 and moved to Broadbottom around 1788 where he worked in the local mill before building his own mill (Moss Mill) in 1796. He remain in Broadbottom until his death in 1834.
Edward married twice, once to Margaret Harrison of Cartmel. They had 9 children. Margaret died in 1807 and Edward re-married, this time to Betty Sidebottom. Edward had a further 4 children with Betty. My family descends via Edward's first wife whereas I think the Newton connection is via his second marriage.
I am currently out of the country, but can supply more information in June when I return home.
In the meantime if you can access Ancestry I suggest you do a search for Edward Moss (1756-1834).
If I don't come back with additional information by mid June please send me a message via the Forum to remind me.

[philuttley]

Thanks for your response - very encouraging

My interest is in Elizabeth MOSS who was born in 1858. Her first marriage was to a John Egerton (there was a child - Anne Jane Egerton 10/02/1876) but her second marriage was to James Dougans who was my GGF (he was father of Jesse Dougans who maried James Edward Uttley (my grandfather).

Elizabeth MOSS's father was James MOSS (1812 - 1880), her mother was Ellen MOSS (nee Holland - 1824-1916) and she had a sister Esther. Ellen, Esther were listed on the 1881 census living with Elizabeth and James Dougans's family (6 children) at 46 Bennett Street, Newton

James MOSS's father was Edward MOSS and his mother was Betty Sidebottom but I have Edward's dates as 1785-1840 (probably wrong).

We are certainly talking about the same family - wonderful!!

Phil

[caletaman]

Hi Phil,
Yes, it certainly appears to be the same family, although I am pretty well convinced that I have the correct Edward Moss together with correct dates I.e. born 1756 in Mossley and died 1834 in Mottram - committed suicide in The Angel Inn!!
Would be very interested to know more about Betty Sidebottom. She was younger than him and the death report in the newspaper suggested jealousy as a possible reason for his suicide.
Edward went to work in Cartmel, Lancashire and that is where he married his first wife, Margaret - at Cartmel Priory on 7th April, 1785. He worked in the cotton mill at Cartmel, which is where he gained his experience. Not sure if he moved directly to Broadbottom or whether he spent a very short time in Mossley first. His first child was baptised in Mossley, with subsequent children with Margaret being baptised at Mottram.
He married Betty Sidebottom at Glossop on 20th August, 1809. I believe she was from Padfield (may have been Hadfield - would need to check paperwork at home to confirm this).
Happy to compare notes in more detail when I am home from holiday.

[caletaman]

Phil,
Sorry, should have said that I do have most of the people you mention in my Ancestry tree, so do try to check that out if you can.
Jeff

[caletaman]

I think you have found James & Ellen Moss on the 1851 census. I believe the household above i.e. Thomas Fitton and Betty Fitton are of interest as, subject to final confirmation, Betty Fitton is the widow of Edward Moss, now re-married!

[cazwell]

May 14, 2012 10:21:00 GMT philuttley said:

Thanks for your response - very encouraging

My interest is in Elizabeth MOSS who was born in 1858. Her first marriage was to a John Egerton (there was a child - Anne Jane Egerton 10/02/1876) but her second marriage was to James Dougans who was my GGF (he was father of Jesse Dougans who maried James Edward Uttley (my grandfather).

Elizabeth MOSS's father was James MOSS (1812 - 1880), her mother was Ellen MOSS (nee Holland - 1824-1916) and she had a sister Esther. Ellen, Esther were listed on the 1881 census living with Elizabeth and James Dougans's family (6 children) at 46 Bennett Street, Newton

James MOSS's father was Edward MOSS and his mother was Betty Sidebottom but I have Edward's dates as 1785-1840 (probably wrong).

We are certainly talking about the same family - wonderful!!

Phil

[cazwell]

Phil, new to this site but want to let you know that my great great grandmother Martha Ann was the sister of Elizabeth Moss. Parents James Moss & Ellen Holland.
Martha was born in 1861 and married Joseph Taylor.
I have a photograph of Ellen with Martha Ann from around 1912