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Post by kerry on Apr 13, 2010 9:55:39 GMT
Does anyone know anything about the Newmarket Tavern 108 King st Dukinfield. My grandparents George Alexander West and his wife Charlotte owned it around 1950. I would like to find any information or memories no matter how trivial. Thanks kerszk
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Post by Woody on Apr 14, 2010 11:11:17 GMT
Hi kerszk You’ll find a photo of the facia of the Newmarket Tavern pub at this website: www.breweryhistory.com/Defunct/Manchester.htmWhen I saw that photo, I’m pretty sure I can remember somebody else asking for this information last year. Sorry. Can’t remember who that was, but somebody else on the forum might. As a long shot, you might be able to find older people who used to drink there. If you try that, the key phrase to use is ‘Jubilee Stout’, the bottled beer that made the company famous. An even longer shot is to try and trace the Brewery records. The origins of Openshaw Brewery can be traced to 1860. In 1891, the brewery moved from Openshaw to the Victoria Brewery, Aberavon Street in West Gorton. In 1957, it was taken over by the Sheffield-based Hope & Anchor Breweries Ltd, and beer production transferred to the parent company. The Victoria Brewery demolished in 1964. Bass were the last owners of Hope & Anchor Breweries, but they closed the Sheffield brewery in the 1990s. Otherwise, if you can manage to get into Ashton library with time to plough through the archives, you know the address so it should be possible to find information in the Electoral Rolls or Rates Ledgers. Woody
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Post by kerry on Apr 14, 2010 21:31:22 GMT
Thanks Woody I think I will start a thread with the Jubilee Stout subject and see what happens. Living in Australia makes it to hard to reseach the archives. Just thought at the off chance someone here may remember the tavern. Regards Kerry
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Post by Woody on Apr 16, 2010 16:29:22 GMT
You’re right, Kerry. It would be rather a long trek so, next time I’m in the library I’ll see what I can find.
Are we talking about the George Alexander West who married Charlotte Taylor at Chorlton-on-Medlock St Paul Church, Brunswick Street, Manchester in 1933 ?
Is your focus on information about the people (your grandparents), or the place (the Newmarket Tavern) ?
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Post by kerry on Apr 17, 2010 4:29:19 GMT
Thank you Woody I would be very grateful if you could find any information on the people or the tavern. Just trying to put together anything I can find.The names are correct George Alexander West and his second wife Charlotte nee Taylor. Regards kerszk
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Post by kerry on Apr 17, 2010 4:38:09 GMT
Another question Woody if you don't mind. I came across a file online of an Indenture for the land that the tavern is on. i wonder if there is any way I could get a copy of this document. I don't think I am able to attach it to this message so I will send it by pm. Thanks again kerszk
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Post by kerry on Apr 17, 2010 4:46:00 GMT
Sorry Woody I am unable to work out how to send the document through this program if you pm you email i willsendl it to you to have a look at. kerszk
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Post by Woody on Apr 22, 2010 10:39:39 GMT
Hi Kerry
Got the two Indentures thanks, and I'll be better informed after visiting the library next week. There’s some useful information in the documents which should help move things forward when everything’s pieced together.
In the meantime, it's been quite difficult to pin the Newmarket Tavern down because there's conflicting information about the 108 King Street address. For example, in the 1901 census 108 King Street, Dukinfield was certainly a domestic dwelling, and similar is true for 1891.
Along a time-line, the Schedule of Indentures you sent show connections of the same people to the plot of land on which the Newmarket Tavern once stood. The small site plans for Land Registry purposes confirm the adjoining streets. The 1861 Indenture shows Hope Street and [St] Mary Street adjoining and in 1897, the adjoining streets are Mary Street and Hope Street so both Indentures refer to the same plot.
The transactions begin in 1861 with Benjamin Mellor Kenworthy, acting as a Trustee of the 4th Swan Equitable Permanent Benefit Building Society. He was a mill-owning cotton manufacturer. They continue until 1875 when George Colbeck became involved. He turns out to be a builder and joiner employing '4 men and 2 boys' which might be significant when considering the construction of the Newmarket Tavern.
The 1851 tithes map I found might provide a few clues about the start date for buildings on the plot. It shows that King Street, Dukinfield ends at the junction with Astley Street so, there was no development of any kind on the plot in question until after 1851 because that bit of King Street didn't exist.
The Newmarket Tavern as we know it today closed its doors for the last time in 2006, and the earliest named reference I can find is in the 1897 Indenture.
In 1881, there was certainly a nearby outlet owned by Edward Davies who, in the 1881 census was a 'beer seller' living at 82 King Street. From December 1881 when he acquired the plot, he appears regularly on the Schedule of Indentures until the final transfer of the land and building from Edward Davies to the Openshaw Brewery in 1897. The 1897 Land Registry plan shows a public house and two cottages and the explosion involves '.. the New Market Tavern public house at 94 King Street, Dukinfield...'.
We might not yet know when it was built, but we do know that the Newmarket Tavern closed its doors for the last time in 2006. If I was a betting man, I’d be putting money on the Newmarket Tavern as we know it having been purpose-built by the Openshaw Brewery, having first demolished the previous buildings to make the space.
The confusion about the 108 King Street address is because the Openshaw Brewery built on the footprint of numbers 92 – 108 King Street, formerly the site of the beerhouse and cottages owned by Edward Davies and, perhaps, built by George Colbeck.
In 1901, Edward Davies is living at 126 King Street, Dukinfield and lists himself as a 52-year old ‘retired beerhouse keeper’. Presumably he's living on the loot obtained from the Openshaw Brewery.
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Post by Woody on Apr 27, 2010 15:13:15 GMT
I think this one's more or less finished now, although I still haven't managed to pin down the exact dates George Alexander West was at the Newmarket tavern, so that's disapppointing. The Dukinfield Electoral Rolls for 1952-1960 haven't survived, and from 1960 the Rates Book was printed out in dot-matrix format and only lists the Openshaw Brewery Company, rather than the tenant. I found some good early maps and photos of King Street, though, which I've sent off to Kerry.
I think to get further would take personal memories from people who used the Newmarket Tavern in the 1950s - a sort of genealogical pub crawl. Anyone tempted ?
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Post by kerry on Apr 28, 2010 8:42:07 GMT
Thanks for all your help Woody.
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