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Post by jacybaby on Sept 2, 2012 22:04:08 GMT
Hi All
Stuck stuck stuck!!! As a matter of urgency I am trying to locate my maternal Grandmothers ancestry. She has been a mine of information but I am stuck on her fathers origins. There seems to be a somewhat mixed up family story that he was born Charles Stuart Nicholson in Edinburgh in 1892 and that his parents hailed from Wick, Caithness in Scotland. However, the tale we have always believed is that his father (also Charles Stuart Nicholson) died prior to his birth and so far the only possible match I have found is of a family living in Edinburgh at the correct time but with the father still alive.
Any help would be much appreciated. I know this is not strictly a Tameside family, although my Grandmother has lived in Stalybridge for 60 years.
Thanks in anticipation
Jason
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Sept 2, 2012 22:40:41 GMT
I've had a look, but an only find this information for free:
NICOLSON, Charles Head Married M 54 1847 Crofter Wick, Caithness N/A NICOLSON, Isabella Wife Married F 44 1857 Crofter's Wife Helmsdale G & E, Sutherland N/A NICOLSON, Caroline Daughter Single F 17 1884 Scholar Wick, Caithness N/A NICOLSON, Isabella Daughter F 13 1888 Scholar Wick, Caithness N/A NICOLSON, Charles Son M 11 1890 Scholar Wick, Caithness N/A NICOLSON, William Son M 9 1892 Scholar Wick, Caithness N/A NICOLSON, Elizabeth Daughter F 7 1894 Wick, Caithness N/A NICOLSON, Marcus Son M 4 1897 Wick, Caithness N/A NICOLSON, John Son M 4 1897 Wick, Caithness
I found this using FindMyPast, but you really need to use Scotland's People to view the image.
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Post by Woody on Sept 4, 2012 11:45:59 GMT
If you look on Scotland's People you'll find that, for obvious reasons and like my own family, 'Charles' and 'Stewart' were popular combinations for males born in Scotland, especially in the Highlands where Bonnie Prince Charlie's right to the English throne still has support. I even have two women ancestors who's first name is 'Stewart'.
Since half my family are Scottish and I have membership to Scotlands' People, I did a quick search there but found nothing at all that matched exactly the criteria you mention - no birth, no marriage, no death. All the records have at least one difference ie, the father's name on the birth that fits - 1892, Cannongate Edinburgh - is 'Thomas', a house painter.
The closest death to the year 1892 for anyone called Charles Stewart Nicholson is at Perth in 1904, and that's only interesting because he was 30 years old, probably the right age-band for your ancestor. There are many BMD entries for plain 'Charles' Nicholson so without seeing a certificate, it's not possible to determine from a simple search whether it's the right one. For some reason, Scotland's People doesn't always include middle names in their search results so any of these could be the one.
On the other hand, one advantage of the Scottish BMD certificates after 1855 is that both parents are given, together with the mother's maiden name and father's occupation. So, if you know your grandmother's ancestor's maiden name and she was married in Scotland, you might get better results by first searching the website for her marriage.
That probably means biting the bullet and paying the cash. It's almost certainly the only way to research this one. You can do a bare-bones search free and it's not hugely expensive when you choose to pay for the detail (about £7 for 30 credits). It costs 1 credit for each discrete search (which will usually give you mother's maiden name for births and each partner for marriages) and when you're certain you have the right one, 5 credits to download the certificate.
As Gay suggests, Scotland's People have it sewn up so tight that it's highly unlikely you'll access these records in full by any other route.
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Post by jacybaby on Sept 11, 2012 15:47:32 GMT
Thanks for yet more helpful advice & pointers. I think I found the correct family on the Edinburgh 1891 Census. But my Grandmother tells me not because the details differ from what she was told as a young woman! I have enough experience of these 'surprises' to trust the official documents & not a 70-80 year oold story. Many thanks again guys. Jason
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Post by petera on Nov 14, 2014 10:21:51 GMT
The long list of names quoted in Tameside in the 1891 census corresponds very closely with a previous generation in Caithness in the north of Scotland in the 1871 census Donald Nicolson born1822 in Bower married in 1843 Caroline Amelia Gordon born 1825 in Latheron Donald was a farm grieve ( foreman ) and died 1891 Their children per 1871 census were Charles, William, Eiizabeth, Daniel, Brodie, John, Marcus, Gordon, all born roughly between 1847 and 1868 Charles m Isabella and their children were as per your list. My own question is - can anyone trace what happened to the Marcus in my list, born approx 1865 We know that with Catherine Flett he fathered an illegitimate daughter, Kathleen Marcus is not on the 1881 Scottish census, did he turn up in Tameside ? ( Also Brodie is not a common Scottish names, and he too has "disappeared" )
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Post by Woody on Dec 8, 2014 11:30:51 GMT
Hi Petera
Donald and Elizabeth Amelia Nicholson’s son, Marcus, remained in Scotland until at least 1901 when he was still living with his parents and still a single man. There’s a probable entry in the Caithness 1911 census but I haven’t checked it explicitly because I don’t now have free access to the Scotland’s People pay-site. By manipulating the free search facility, I did find a probable death record for Marcus at Thurso, Caithness in 1925. (NB: From 1881, the spelling is consistently NICOLSON)
According to the LDS website, your ancestor Brodie Nicholson was born at Wick, Caithness on 7th October, 1859 and I think he turned up, not in Tameside, but in Hampshire. In the 1891 census there’s a record of someone called Brodie Nicholson who ticks all the relevant boxes; he’s serving as a Royal Marine based at the Royal Naval College, Portsea Island.
There’s then a possible Portsea, Hampshire marriage between Brodie Nicholson and Emma Timpson later in 1891. 10 years later this couple appear in the 1901 census at South Stoneham, Hampshire where Brodie is named as the licensed victualler at the Blacksmith’s Arms, South Stoneham. Indeed, the Hampshire Advertiser reports an assault on him as landlord there 2 years earlier in March 1899. Another newspaper report of a case at the Godstone Petty Sessions has him working at the Haycutter Inn, Broadham Green, Oxted, Surrey in 1902. He was giving evidence in support of his employer who was charged with selling adulterated (overly-diluted) rum.
As to whereabouts and death after 1901, there’s possible death record for wife Emma at Portsmouth in 1915, but this suggestion is based entirely on the couple's place of residence in 1901. I also think there's a red herring in the mix. On 18th February 1886, the Dundee Courier refers to a Brodie Nicholson as ‘a venerable father of the church’. This is such an unlikely reference in relation to a 20-year old that it’s certain there were two people named Brodie Nicholson – yours and a much older sea captain from Anstruther Fife who, I think, died there in 1889.
I can’t find any UK records for Brodie after 1901 so it’s possible he migrated out of the UK BMD jurisdiction – Ireland or further abroad, perhaps ?
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