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Post by marywheal on Sept 28, 2012 9:55:01 GMT
My maiden name was Mary Wheal before marriage and William Bertenshaw is my maternal grandfather, however, I have not succeeded in finding any information about him for my family tree. My mother has always known very little about him and they didn't see each other again after she left home. I know that William married Isabella Kemp in 1923 and they lived on Coronation Road in Smallshaw. William was born some time in the 1890s and Isabella was born in 1893, they had two children called Mary and Emmanuel Bertenshaw. Emmanuel married Betty Shepley and they lived with William and Isabella. They were still in the same house in 1978 with their daughter Barbara who was about 8 years old. My mum Mary Bertenshaw married Andrew Wheal in 1953 and Isabella passed away in 1974. There is no address for William Bertenshaw on the Tameside Citizen deaths information but I know that he passed away in 1969. Any help at all to find information about William Bertenshaw would be greatly appreciated.
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Woody
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Post by Woody on Sept 28, 2012 22:35:49 GMT
The www.findmypast.co.uk death registration record for plain William Bertenshaw in 1969 gives his birth date as 4th April 1890. The only birth registered in the North-West region under that name in 1890 is at Bucklow (Altrincham). It’s in the right quarter (April-May-June) to fit the given birth date but the spelling of the surname (BURTINSHAW) is different. Those of us who’ve spent a few years rummaging through Victorian records have learned not to rely on their absolute accuracy so ‘Burtinshaw’ would be an acceptable alternative in the absence of a birth with the exact spelling. That’s especially true because it’s the way William's surname is spelled on the marriage registration to Isabella Kemp that you’ll find at www.cheshirebmd.org.ukIf this is him, he’s traceable through 3 x census returns and possibly two marriages, the latter certainly being to Isabella Kemp in 1823. Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1923 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference KEMP Isabella BURTINSHAW William Ashton under Lyne, Holy Trinity Tameside CE2/3/338 In 1891 this William’s living at 16, Mary Street, Ardwick, Manchester with parents Thomas (a tailor born Partington, 1842) and Harriett (nee Turner, born Manchester about 1852). By 1901 the family are at 60, Brown Street, Altrincham and still there in 1911 except that Harriet is now a widow. In 1911 William is a groom/ domestic gardener. My feeling is that you could waste plenty of time searching through all the variants of the surname ‘Bertenshaw’ (Burtenshaw, Burtinshaw, Burtonshaw, etc) so if you want to be certain, it might be more profitable to just bite the bullet and get hold of the marriage certificate. That should reveal the name of William’s father which would give us a much better chance of success when searching the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census returns. The reason I’m saying this is that in the Tameside Burials database there’s a record that fits William Bertenshaw’s names exactly; it also fits the 1969 date of death; the quarter of the registration (Oct-Nov-Dec) and date of burial (24th December 1969) match; and there is someone called Shepley buried in the same grave. The problem is that the age listed for the William in this grave would give a birth date of 1895, not 1890 - and there is a William Bertenshaw born Manchester in 1897. That family lived at Ella Street, Rochdale Road, Harpurhey in both 1901 and 1911. The father’s name is James A (b 1871, Manchester) and the mother is Ada (nee Day, b 1872, Manchester). Isabella Kemp’s history is straightforward but I can see why you’re inside a maze with William. There are even more possibilities and I kept the details of all my searches, including the relevant census returns, if you think any of these would be useful to you ?
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Post by marywheal on Sept 30, 2012 15:44:41 GMT
Thank you for your help Woody, you have confirmed what I had discoved. I have decided to get hold of a marriage certificate for William and Isabella. The death record for William does indeed make it more difficult to try and figure out so I am hoping that the marriage cert will be more enlightening.
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Post by Woody on Oct 1, 2012 11:41:18 GMT
Hi Mary.
I was in the library this morning and had a quick look at the death notices reported in the Ashton Reporter, just on the off-chance that the death was announced. Here's what I found on 26th December, 1969.
"Deaths: On December 20th at 17 Elm Grove, Ashton, William aged 74 the beloved husband of Isabella Bertenshaw, dearly beloved father of Emmanuel and dear grandfather. Service and interment at Hurst Cemetery on Wednesday December 29th at 3.00 pm. Arrangements Vernons Funeral Services"
I think Hurst Cemetery is now Ashton Cemetery so it seems we were both right. I whisked through the editions for January 1970 but I'm afraid I didn't find an obituary.
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Post by marywheal on Oct 3, 2012 18:57:08 GMT
Hi Woody, Thank you yet again for the information, I don't want you to think that I am being lazy and letting you do all the work. I live in Ireland and only come to the UK once a year, so I am relying very heavily on the internet for research. So your help is really very much appreciated. Kind Regards Mary
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Post by barbara on Nov 3, 2012 23:56:55 GMT
Hi, I am Barbara, Emanuels Daughter. William was my grandfather. I have just read your comments and would be nice to get in touch and discuss william, and my family. Please get in touch with me through Facebook Barbara Winterbottom (Barbara Bertenshaw) www.facebook.com/barbara.winterbottom.52?fref=ts Many Thanks, Barbara.
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