Taylor family help required

[florence]

I have come across information that needs checking I cant go for marriage certificate until I find where they married and dates etc.

info so far I was originally told my great grandfather
William Joseph Taylor 1862 in Lancashire, United Kingdom Died 1st Oct 1938 age 76 buried in Droylsden Cemetery grave 530A, Lancashire, England
His wife Florence Annie Taylor I was told her maiden name was Clarke but a diary that has come to light seems to imply maiden names was Haig. She is buried along with William but died 23rd June 1935 age 64 apparently she was a second wife he had two girls and one boy to first wife. Haydn died in first world war.

Children my grandfather was only son apparently George Willie Taylor born 1904 died 22nd December 1974 buried in same grave he had three sisters Gladys Ethel and Bertha.

So the problem is was Florence Annie a Clarke or Haig.

Now the fun part if she was Haig she used to live at Haddon Hall in Stalybridge where apparently there was a murder in the 20/30s murder never was found. The diary does continue with more on this but for now will keep this to myself as unsure if just old time hear say or genuine have photocopied the pages and have a pdf which can be sent to certain ppl if required.

[Woody]

Hi Florence

Hope you're bearing up.

Are we sure the murder you're referring to isn't the famous one at GORSE Hall in 1909. If so, you'll find it's well reported if you use Google to search for 'Gorse Hall murder'

I think the marriage you're seeking was between William Joseph Taylor and Florence Annie HAGUE at Ashton under Lyne, Christ Church in 1894 (ref: CE1/6/259) .

There are options for a previous marriage (Clarke), but none in Tameside, including:

1888 - Mary Clarke, Prestwich, Vol , page 535
1881 - Harriet Ann Clark, Haslingden, Vol 8e, page 171

Since there are hundreds of deaths recorded for Mary Taylor (Clarke) between 1888 - 1894, the date of the marriage we know about, that search is likely a needle in a haystack job unless you have more specific information.

A second possibility is the 1893 death record for 24-year old Harriet Ann Taylor (Clarke) at Hyde (ref: HYD/56/10). You might know whether William lived anywhere near there in the early 1900s ?

Either way, William Joseph Taylor should appear with his first wife on the 1891 census if you can find them, but it's too common a name to guess with only a 'Lancashire' birthplace to go on.

Hope this moves you forward a bit

[florence]

Hi Woody it is strange one as I had managed to find source for Florence Annie Taylor ( Clarke)

William Joseph Taylor born Oct-Nov-Dec 1862 Page:318

1901 census has a William J Tayor living in Droylsden at 202 Ashton Road, Household Members:
Name Age
William J Taylor 38 Head
Florence A Taylor 30 Wife
Fred A Taylor 15 Son Cotton Pieces C Spin
Edith Taylor 14 Daughter Cotton ring spinner
John Taylor 11 Son
Ethel Taylor 3 Daughter

Florence Annie Taylor (Clarke) Birth 1871 source 1901 census, died 23rd June 1935 aged 64.


This is mainly info from 1901 census plus names from grave 530A Droylsden cemetery.

[Woody]

Hi Florence

Thanks for the extra information. I looked up the original copy of the 1901 census for this family, although I'm not quite sure how much further it gets you.

In 1901, the birthplace of both Florence A and William J Taylor is given as Hurst, Lancashire and he's a greengrocer working in his own account but living at 32 Ashton Road, Droylsden rather than the address you have. (I think ‘202’ in column 1 is actually the schedule number of the census return, rather than the house number).

I'm pretty sure the child 'Fred A' is actually Frederick Arden Taylor, born at Middleton in the Jun Qtr 1886 and registered exactly where you would expect for Middleton i.e. Oldham (Vol , page 706)

In the 1901 census original, Edith and John's birthplaces are given as 'Droylsden' and there are registrations at Audenshaw for Edith (ref: AUD/52/21); John (AUD/55/61). There are several 'Audenshaw' possibilities for Ethel's birth between 1897-1899 and you'll find the possibilities on the Cheshire BMD website.

To try and pin things down, I then looked for and found Frederick Arden Taylor in the 1891 census.

His father, William Jos (b Blackley, 1863) is a leather dresser living at 94 Ashton New Road, Droylsden and although the children are the same as in 1901, his wife is different so that seems to confirm a prior marriage.

She's called 'Eunice', born at Middleton, Lancashire although the writing is partially obscured and she could be either age 20 or 26. She’s listed as married and defined as a housekeeper, but the next puzzle is that I don't think she's Eunice 'Clarke'.

The only marriage I could find at the right dates for the children’s births was between William J Taylor and Eunice Mills at Oldham Register Office or Registrar Attended, 1884 (ref: RM/56/68).

Again, that would be right for the Middleton area, and there is a birth record for Eunice Mills at Oldham in 1867, Vol , page 575. On the other hand, I couldn't find a birth for Eunice 'Clarke' anywhere local to this region.

There's then a death record for Eunice Taylor at Audenshaw in 1892, age 24 (ref: AUD/35/61) which would allow for a second marriage to Florence in 1894.

From the 1891 census, it's also clear that Frederick, Edith and John are his children with Eunice, whereas Ethel's mother is probably Florence.

These details would match the gap between William's children that we know about through the 1901 census, and I couldn't find any marriage to 'Clarke'.

Do you think this stuff is a possibility, or does it just eliminate this family ?

[florence]

True I cannot find a marraige for surname clarke think its going to be tough as the last known address for one of his sisters was pulled down but thinking of trying to find the children of the sisters.

The diary says Gladys married Jack Kennerly and they had 1 son.
Ethel married Earnest Wood who had 1 son.
Bertha Married someone who has Derbyshire as a surname and had 2 daughters.

It is more trying to sort out the correct maiden name the family is right just need the link to complete it. My membership with ancestry is the cheapest so lots of info is not available to me.

If you want me to pm a ink to a pdf file that is photoscanned copies from the diary I will.

[Woody]

Hi Florence

It's a real puzzle isn't it ?

I don't suppose there's any chance he was married more than twice, although I can't really see a time-gap big enough to allow that.

Just for the record:

Gladys May Taylor married John Kennerley in at Ashton (civil marriage) in 1921

Bertha married Albert Taylor at Droylsden, St Mary in 1928

Ethel married Ernest Wood at Ashton, St Peter in 1924

There are also on-line burial records for a Eunice Taylor at Droylsden in 1911 (1 day old and linked to a family named 'Beswick'). There's another in 2000 (aged 63) who lived at 14 John Street, Droylsden.

As you suggested, I've sent you a pm

[florence]

Replyed thank you woody.

The leads you gave me to Forence Annie Hagu has fitted in where Clarke only party fitted so the surname was hague. The Clarke lead could be first marriage or mam just getting it wrong in the last months of her life which could happen yet she was fine with other things she talked about.

Working on the family tree is helping with the loss didn't think it would but for some reason when I am low I start to work again n the tree and I feel calm and relaxed it is hard to explain.

[didi]

Hi Florence I must be related to you, Bertha Taylor is my mother, sister to your grandfather. Please email if you can, I can fill in some gaps for you.
Didi

[didi]

Hi Florence I must be related to you, Bertha Taylor is my mother, sister to your grandfather. Please email if you can, I can fill in some gaps for you.
Didi