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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 25, 2009 22:43:23 GMT
Hello again Hilda, Obtaining copies of documents and certificates etc. If you find an entry of a birth, marriage or death registration on cheshirebmd.org.uk you can order a copy of the certificate by clicking onto the reference number in the top right hand corner. This takes you to an intermediate page where the results of your searches are stored temporarily. At the end of a session of searching you can then decide if you wish to order certificates for any of them. Clicking on the reference number again will take you to a partially completed application form ready to send off to the local register office. Sadly all birth, marriage and death certificates cost £7 each. You can sometimes save a bit of money if there is a marriage registration at a church where the records have been microfilmed and if someone is feeling generous enough they could go into the library and take a picture of the entry from the microfilm. I sometimes get time to do this.. If you find a baptism or marriage entry on the IGI, you will find that most local archives libraries will copy single entries for you at very nominal cost. For Manchester Central Library click on: www.manchester.gov.uk/site/scripts/documents.php?categoryID=448 then click on Church Register List and then scroll down the page to their instructrions for copying costs from church registers. You can find other local addresses here: tamesidefamilyhistory.co.uk/addresses.htm
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Post by Woody on Mar 25, 2009 23:43:17 GMT
Thanks for that advice, Gay. It's a useful hint. It just seemed a real shame to have someone spend time and money needlessly when the stuff they wanted was on my PC doing nothing. I'll try it out over the next couple of days and see what happens.
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Post by Woody on Mar 26, 2009 11:28:32 GMT
Hi Hilda
I forgot to mention yesterday that I also found Bertha Reddyoff's marriage and four subsequent children, including the Eveline you said you didn't know anything about in your very first message on the forum board.
The good news is that her husband served during and, although wounded, survived WW1 so all his service records are available to download. I've had a swift look and there's quite a lot of useful information about his birth family that might help you with your search for living relatives.
Better still, he was in the Manchester Regiment and also in the Volunteer Reserve prior to that so there might be relevant stuff on their website.
If you want me to post the detail about Bertha's marriage etc. on the forum board, let me know.
Alternatively and following Gay's hint, I sent you a 'personal message' this morning so, when you get a minute, could you just check to see whether it arrived please.
Woody
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Post by scottfree on Mar 26, 2009 12:08:58 GMT
Hi Gay & Woody,you are being so tremendously helpful.Im overwhelmed.Still putting things together that youve helped me with. Woody, You can put Berthas details on the forum. There may be someone out there looking for info on the family also. Ps My family all attended Old St Georges church which is on thingyhill, & I have a brother living in thingybrook Ashton!!
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Post by Woody on Mar 26, 2009 15:33:23 GMT
OK Hilda. I see we've woken Thingytone up again, but it's fun working out out why. Here goes with the Reddyoff detail. 1908: Bertha REDDEYOFF married Edwin BROSTER (b 1885, Pendleton, Salford and later lived in Hulme, Manchester) at Stalybridge, Old St George (Ref: CED1/2/43) 1912: son Thomas Broster - birth registered at Chorlton, Manchester (Index ref 8c 1680); mother’s name REDDEYEFF 1913: daughter Eveline Broster - birth registered at Chorlton, Manchester (Index ref 8c 1617); mother’s name REDDEYEFF 1916: son Robert H – birth registered at Manchester (Index ref 281); mother’s name REDDEYOFF 1918: son Walter Broster – birth registered at Manchester, Index ref 353: mother’s name RODDEYOFF Gay: Just to add that the method you gave yesterday for contacting other members worked fine, and all the research documents have now been transferred to Hilda.
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 26, 2009 23:13:52 GMT
Hello Woody,
I am pleased you managed to send the information to Hilda and that it worked well, so I have put the instructions in the Techie section of the Forum.
You really are doing a wonderful job here ;D
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 26, 2009 23:22:08 GMT
Hello again Hilda,
I am seeing two people tomorrow who are long-time members of Old St Georges Church on C-o-c-k-e-rHill, so will ask if they remember any Redeyoffs.
Also I spotted about half a dozen Redeyoffs in my local telephone directory.
I tried contacting people in Northern Ireland, where my Dad came from, and although I only had one positive response, I found a cousin who had a wealth of information and who sent me my only photograph I have of my dad when he was a little boy.
Would you like me to send you the details?
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 27, 2009 23:04:09 GMT
Hello again Hilda,
I teach classes in Family History and two of my students are long-time attenders at New St Georges Church. They tell me that there is still a Redeyoff family who regularly come to the Church. She thinks he is called Derek and they have young children who are in their Rainbows group.
I was also fortunate enough to bump into Reverend Stubbs, the vicar of St Georges, in the library today and he reminded me that members of the church are gradually making their burial registers and monumental inscriptions available on-line to search on their website. He had only stood next to a Redeyoff grave that morning.
The records for both Old and New St Georges are on the church website: stg.org.uk The last Redeyoff burial was Martha aged 91 in 1969
Also included is an excellent book called "Two into One won't Go", all about the turbulent history of the Churches written by Canon Paul Denby. I have a copy of this book and it is excellent and very well-researched.
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Post by scottfree on Mar 28, 2009 13:38:28 GMT
Thanks Gaye,you are a really brilliant site!Any details you can find of later Reddyoffs is most welcome. Re Old St Georges & New St Georges Churches, I think most people will remember the MOORE family most.I was confirmed at OSG, but my sister,brother in law (Bentley) & brother Harold are buried at NSG.My sisters ashes are buried right by the front gates.Both my brother & I were married at NSG,& my brother was a church warden for many years. Again my thanks to Woody. Hes a star! May I please put another query if thats O:K. My father Edgar Moore was born 23/4/1886 in Stalybridge.He served in WW1. I also have a photo of him in the Royal Marines taken 1907. He served in several Cheshire regiments later in the Army.I know he served in the 9th & 10th cheshires. I have photos of him in France in 1916/7& his paybook "in the field"& his field binoculars.I also have a letter from the officers of the Gibraltar Volunteer Corps, dated 15/12/1915 thanking him for his valuable instructions to the men at the Wellington front. My enquiries at the regiment headquarters resulted in them sending me a photo of WOs,Staff, & sergeants of the 9th Batt. Cheshire reg. Incredibly my dad was easily recognisable on the back row. My query is, the inscription on the photo is "The Butterfly Battalion" but noone seems to know why they were called the Butterflys Can anyone help? Regards Hilda.
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Post by Woody on Mar 29, 2009 21:09:53 GMT
Hola Hilda The War Cemetery near Wytschaete, Belgium has a Memorial to the 19th (Western) Division which, on its base, lists all the units comprising the Division; that list includes the Cheshire Regiment. During the attack the 19th Division lost 51 officers and some 1,358 other ranks. In their turn they captured 1,253 German prisoners. The entire 1914-18 conflict cost the Cheshire Regiment 8,420 lives so it's perhaps not surprising that your father didn't much care to talk about his war experiences. More pertinently, the memorial cross also shows the butterfly emblem of the Division at the top, and it is understood that the tag of 'Butterfly Division’ derived from the Divisional emblem. If you want to do more research about your father's journey through the war, the 19th Division were involved at nearby Oosttaverneon on the first day of the Battle of Messines (June the 7th 1917), when they took the village. The 19th Division, aided by the three mines exploded at Hollandscheschuur Farm, made excellent progress on their frontage with significant gains made. In the afternoon it was the 57th Brigade which advanced to reach the German positions known as the Oosttaverne Line, along with Brigades from other Divisions on either side. If you want to know more about the Gibraltar Volunteer Corps, there's an informative website at www.gibnet.com/media/rgr.htm. (It seems that the Wellington Front is a kind of meeting place in Gibraltar town rather than a theatre of war). Woody
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 29, 2009 22:21:47 GMT
Wow! Woody,
I asked my friend who has documented the men who are missing form the Stalybridge War Memorial if she knew the answer to this, since lots of her soldiers were in the Cheshire Regiment and she couldn't come up with the answer.
Well done! I don't know where you managed to find this information.
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Post by Woody on Mar 30, 2009 0:22:03 GMT
Hi Gay I think it's mostly that I'm a mine of useless information !! I'm also far more interested in knowing 'why' than 'what' so, once I'm intrigued by a question, I probably just stick at the research a bit longer than most. In the end, it was just a matter of piecing together clues taken from a few different internet sources. The clincher was realising that the battalion Hilda's father was in was actually one part of the much larger 19th Western Division. Although I should probably have mentioned it previously, there's actually a photo of both the butterfly emblem and the memorial cross on one of the sites I found on your military resources list (The Long, Long Road) www.1914-1918.net/19div.htm. The information about 'why' took longer, but that was a good starting point so the outcome was thanks to you, really. Woody
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Post by scottfree on Apr 8, 2009 13:07:08 GMT
Hi, thanks again for your great site, & to gaye & Woody.Thanks Woody for the solution to my Butterfly Battalion query. Have now found the site & another question solved.For anyone searching for family who served in the Cheshire Regiments, 2 years ago I contacted the Cheshire Military Museum for any info on my father. All researchers there are volunteers, usually working at weekends.Any info they find is free,but a donation towards research undertaken at the National Archives is asked.They were most helpful, sending me copies of the exact typewritten extracts of the day to day events, including the events detailed by Woody. 7th march 1917. viz;Zero hour 3-10 am. At 2-15am tea & rum were issued to all ranks.At 3-10 the Battalion left the trenches & advanced to the attack. The men kept close up to our barrage & (various objectives) were taken without much opposition.The number captured by the battalion, 1 officer,117 OR & 14 machine guns.Our total casualties; 1 officer died of his wounds, 7 officers wounded,other ranks killed 26, wounded 141, missing 7.THE BTN WAS THANKED & congratulated very heartily by Div. Comm.I was sent about 100 pages of these diaries & the details are horrifying. However Chester do not have full service records ie no details of my fathers overseas reords or wounds received.I presume I will have to search the National Archives for these. Many thanks to you all. PS A visit to the Military Museum in Chester is a good day out! Hilda
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Post by imbodger1 on Feb 24, 2010 16:09:25 GMT
scottfree, when i lived in Hollingworth, our neighbours were Henry & Annie Tennant, marriage on Cheshire BMD 1952, Annie's first husband was Frank Redeyoff, Cheshire BMD, 1942, the reason i mention it ,is that the marriage 1942 was in Stalybridge, so possibly some living relations to your family. Tony
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Post by scottfree on Feb 27, 2010 12:35:19 GMT
Hi Tony, thanks for the message re Reddyoff family. I havent been able to do much research recently, but am amazed at the many Reddyoff (different spellings) families about. I really do want to find out more of recent generations, so am grateful for your message. Hilda
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