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Post by scottfree on Mar 20, 2009 13:59:46 GMT
[Hi there ! Have just found you! My father was Edgar Moore of Stalybridge. Three brothers had an undertakers & house repair company. My mother was Mary Ellen Reddyoff also of Stalybridge.I too was born there, and our lives revolved around Ols St Georges school,Sunday school, & church.I was a brownie, Girl Guide & choir member. My brothers also were active in the chuch.Is anyone out there researching either of these families? Ive done quite well so far, but any other researchers would be welcome. Regards Hilda Scott (nee Moore)
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 22, 2009 0:34:11 GMT
Hello Hilda, I am sorry but I don't know of anyone just yet who is researching your family, but I have had a quick look around Birth, Marriage and Death records and through all the census for Stalybridge and there does seem to be lots of information about your family out there. Perhaps you could tell us a bit about what you have found so far, with dates etc., and then members of this forum can put their heads together to try and fill in the gaps.
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Post by scottfree on Mar 23, 2009 11:55:15 GMT
Thanks for your reply Gay.My mother was Mary Ellen Reddyoff, born 23/6/1892 at Hardyys Buildings, Stalybridge. I know she had 2 sisters, Esther Ann, born 2/3/1881, I believe in Mossley, & Bertha born 1888. I believe Bertha had a daughter, Eviline born about 1912, but no further details.I would dearly love to find any relatives. My mothers mother was Mary Jane Catterall born 1854 possibly in Mossley. My father Edgar was born in Stalybridge on 23/4/1886 in Cranworth St.They were married in 1912.I don think there are any of my fathers siblings children still alive. Fathers family originated in Leics, then moved to thingytone Yorks before moving to Stalybridge. Thanks again .Hilda (Spain)
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Post by scottfree on Mar 23, 2009 11:57:27 GMT
Thingytone should read thingytone!!!! Hilda
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Post by scottfree on Mar 23, 2009 11:58:23 GMT
thingyTONE!!!
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Post by Woody on Mar 23, 2009 13:33:11 GMT
Hilda
I've suffered the same fate trying to write the name of this particular West Yorkshire town. As Gay pointed out a couple of weeks ago, it's the site moderating system that won't allow the right name because it thinks it to be rather indelicate. You'll get my drift if you think aboout it. Try writing P****tone or spelling it backwards enotsineP.
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 23, 2009 16:48:38 GMT
Why do so many people come from Thingytone!!!!! ;D
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Post by Woody on Mar 23, 2009 17:22:46 GMT
Hi Hilda
As Gay said earlier, there’s quite a lot of early information available but it’s subject to a few differences in spelling for both second names and difficult to track. This is what I found at a first quick attempt.
You’re right about your mother and her sisters. The BMD index confirms the following marriage and three subsequent births registered at Ashton under Lyne.
Mary Jane Catterall married Thomas Reddyoff (spelled ‘ Reddeyoff) at Ashton under Lyne, St Michael in 1879: Document Ref: CE4/25/172
Reddyoff, Esther Anne b 1881 at Hartshead, Mossley: Document Ref: HAR/58/7 Reddyoff, Bertha b 1888 at Hartshead, Mossley: Document Ref: HAR/69/22 Reddyoff, Mary Ellen b 1892 at Hartshead, Mossley: Document Ref: HAR/73/95
1881 & 1891 Census: living at Hardy’s Yard, Stalybridge.
1901 Census: whole family still together but now living at 10 Hall Street, Stalybridge
Going back a generation, the various census documents suggest the following connections might be to your ancestors
Maternal Grandfather (Variously spelled ‘Catterall’ and ‘Cotterill’)
1861: living at Albert Cottages, Tintwistle
Cotterill, Edward b. abt 1815, Manchester (Widower) Cotton Spinner Cotterill, Elijah b abt 1842, Mossley (son) Cotton Piecer Coterill, Mary Jane b abt 1855, Mossley (daughter) scholar Cotterill, Sarah Ann b abt 1860, Micklehurst, Mossley (daughter)
1871 Census: living at Waterton Lane, Ashton under Lyne
Elijah is absent from the 1871 census. It looks as though he’s married by then and a strong possibility is Ellen Crowther in a civil marriage registered at Ashton under Lyne, March Qtr 1868, ref RM/29/8. It also seems that Edward Catterall has re-married.
Catterall, Edward b. abt 1817, Manchester (Widower) Cotton Spinner Catterall, Eliza b abt 1820, Derbyshire (wife) Caterall, Mary Jane b abt 1855, Mossley (daughter) Cotton speed tenter Catterall, Sarah Ann b abt 1860, Micklehurst, Mossley (daughter). Died 1877 HAR/37/98
The family isn’t obvious in the 1881 census so I didn't pursue it
There’s a possible death record for Eliza Catterall in 1871 registered at Hartshead HAR/32/45
There’s a probable death record for Edward Catterall in 1894 registered at Hartshead HAR/50/67
If any of this stuff sounds familiar, I’ll make a more determined effort
Woody
Gay. Maybe we should just all agree to use 'Penystone' instead
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Post by scottfree on Mar 24, 2009 13:55:58 GMT
Woody, youre wonderful & correct!!!! Probably why I havent done very well on most websites, is the different surname spellings.So far Ive found 9 different spellings of the name Reddyoff including Redyhaugh, but I only had Catterall & Catherall.Youve definitely found my family! I wonder who was Edward Catteralls(myGreatgrandfather) first wife?Is there an Esther Scowcroft a possibility?Born Ashton under Lyne ab1821. Re Thomas Reddyoff (my grandad) 12/6/1856, I believe his father wasJohn Reddyoff ab1822 in Rossendale, who married Sarah Beswick of Luzley Lancs (christened at St Michaels church ASHTON under Lyne.I cant trace either family before this.Is it possible to obtain copies of documents & certificates?As you see I'm a real amateur at this! Regards Hilda PS I live in Spain, & I do miss the Northern sense of humourIts very special.
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Post by Woody on Mar 25, 2009 13:07:06 GMT
Hi Hilda Flattery will get you everywhere, but I do appreciate your comment. On balance, I think a sense of humour is a requirement if we’re to cope with English summers. I once found a definition of the UK climate in an early edition of Pear’s Encyclopaedia – ‘wet in winter and less wet in summer’. Seems to sum it up nicely. I suspect most of us who contribute to this forum are also amateurs. It’s probably just that I’ve been doing this family history stuff for quite a while now; I’ve gradually learned to how to negotiate the various websites and built up a few resources over the years. We all had to start somewhere and, with practise, you’ll probably find you start to build up a kind of ‘sixth sense’ for information that might be relevant, even if at first sight it doesn’t appear to be so. Despite all that, I know my limitations so I think Gay is the most knowledgeable person to ask about getting hold of copies of old documents and certificates. Perhaps if you spell out exactly those you’re interested in, she can advise you. For what it’s worth, all the certificate references I’ve provided for the births and deaths can be ordered directly through the free Cheshire BMD website – www.Cheshirebmd.org.uk. I also kept copies of the relevant census documents that I accessed in my search, but although I’m more than happy to share these with you, quite rightly, the forum doesn’t allow me to send them to you direct. Gay may know about a means of doing so, but I strongly counsel against posting your personal e-mail address on the forum message board without careful thought. I think I eventually found Edward Catterall in the 1841 census, living in the ‘Hamlet of Mossley’ in the same house as somebody called Esther, age 20, and presumably his wife. There were no children at the date of the census, but the IGI website has a record of son Elijah being christened later that year at St Michael’s Church, Ashton - 26th September 1841. The parents are Edward and Esther Catterall, but no maiden name for Esther I’m afraid and I’ve so far found no record of their marriage. The 1851 census is a bit more informative, but this Esther gives her birthplace as Bury, not Ashton under Lyne. Catterall, Edward (head) cotton spinner b Manchester abt 1819 Catterall, Esther (wife) b. Bury, Lancashire, 1817 Catterall, Elijah (son) b. Mossley abt 1842 Catterall, Rachel (daughter) b Mossley abt 1845 There’s also a record of Mary Ann Catterall, b Hartshead 1843 who died in 1844, aged 1 year. I sense she may be a child of the family (birth ref: HAR/8/63; death ref: HAR/8/7) It’s highly likely that Esther’s death was registered at Staley in the December Qtr of 1860 (Ref: STY/6/86) in the name of ‘Caterhall’. Edward then remarried in 1861 at Ashton under Lyne, Christ Church but the marriage was registered in the name of ‘Cotterill’. If this is the right record, his new wife was Eliza Lee (ref: CE1/3/67) I haven’t yet attempted to look for your early Reddyoff ancestors, but hope all this helps you to move forward. Woody
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 25, 2009 14:22:12 GMT
I also kept copies of the relevant census documents that I accessed in my search, but although I’m more than happy to share these with you, quite rightly, the forum doesn’t allow me to send them to you direct. Gay may know about a means of doing so, but I strongly counsel against posting your personal e-mail address on the forum message board without careful thought. Woody Hi Woody, As forum administrator I do have most people's email addresses, but would never pass them onto anyone or reveal them on the list. I do though have an idea about uploading census images to the photobucket account I have created and then posting links to these images direct into message replies. I think it might rather depend on whether people mind these images being on-line for anyone to see. Perhaps we ought to seek permission before doing this from individual forum members before doing so. What do you think? I haven't eaten yet today, but I can try later to upload an 1871 census image of Hilda's Redyoff Family. I'll also try and answer her question about getting copy certificates and documents etc
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Post by Woody on Mar 25, 2009 16:07:47 GMT
Hi Gay
You’re quite right to counsel caution. My generous spirit got the better of me and, on reflection, there’s a line to be drawn between a casual/ informal forum intended to offer guidance and suggestions, and a professional genealogy service.
I’m glad of the moderation system as a protection against potentially invasive or malicious responses - and as we know from Thingytone, it works. I wouldn’t want to either advocate or contribute to any process which either weakens that protection or jeopardises the forum’s future.
I therefore favour just sticking to the current ‘no disclosure at all’ policy.
As you say, there are other ways round the issue of sharing documents. I agree that Photobucket might be one method but, unless you really want to extend the forum's function, perhaps it would be less time-consuming for you if I just tell Hilda exactly where I found all the census information.
She can then access the sites herself and choose whether she wants to buy individual records or not. Alternatively, it wouldn’t cost more than a few pesetas to invest in membership of a pay-site for a week, or even to go for the 2-week freebie Ancestry is always offering. All the information’s there if she knows where to look.
Hope you enjoyed your lunch
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Post by Woody on Mar 25, 2009 20:10:00 GMT
Hi again Hilda
I’m not surprised you’ve found it so difficult to trace your ancestors. The Catterall side of your family is beginning to run the Reddyoffs a close second in the name-spellings variations stakes.
You’ll also have seen from the message board that while Gay might be able to help with suggestions about getting copies of old documents, it will probaly not be possible for me to donate my original census returns to you.
Actually, I'm not sure you'd get much more information from the orignal census returns than I've already transcribed, but if you want to pursue that aspect, I'll willingly share how I got there with you.
Despite the different spellings, I've also pretty much worked out the remainder of Edward Catterall's history. If you want me to post the detail on this message board, please feel free to ask.
Woody
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 25, 2009 22:10:04 GMT
Just attempting an experiment: Below is a link to one of my own family's census images on photobucket. I just want to see if it is either readable or downloadable? gi259.photobucket.com/groups/hh285/2HGEAA4B0K/WilliamHorsfall1851Saddleworth.jpgI have just tried and it does work well. So if anyone wants to follow up this method of getting copies of original documents to people, you can go through the process of registering with photobucket.com, then logging in to our Tameside Photobucket page then uploading any images, and putting a direct link into any messages. The full instructions are on the photobucket board.
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Mar 25, 2009 22:22:04 GMT
Another way perhaps of contacting people to send them images of documents etc.
If you click on anyone's name, it will take you to their profile they created when they joined the forum. Most people have chosen to keep their email addresses hidden, and that's the preferred option.
I haven't kept mine hidden, because my email address is already out there on multiple websites.
There is though a link at the top of everyone's profile saying send personal message. This in shorthand means that you can PM individual members and perhaps exchange email addresses off-line. I would trust people to maintain confidentiality and not to broadcast these to anyone. No-one has to do this it is just an option.
I would imagine that this would only be used in very rare instances since the preferred way of communicating would be via the forum, so that everyone can learn from people's answers or butt in as they think fit.
Whenever you sign in to the forum - just keep a check on the information in the banner at the top of the page to see if anyone has sent you a personal message.
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