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Post by walmsley on Jul 6, 2009 16:02:22 GMT
Hi to all. I was born and bred in Ashton attended Waterloo primary school and then Stamford boys school. Both my parents past on some years ago. Now researching or trying to research. specific info needed as listed and thanks if anyone can help. 1 Half great uncle Joseph Renshaw a captain in wwi lived in ashton or Salford 1914 died
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Post by walmsley on Jul 6, 2009 16:09:09 GMT
Hi to all. I was born and bred in Ashton attended Waterloo primary school and then Stamford boys school. Both my parents past on some years ago. Now researching or trying to research. specific info needed as listed and thanks if anyone can help. 1 Half great uncle Joseph Renshaw a captain in wwi lived in ashton or Salford 1914 died about 1958 2 Joseph Renshaw father of above buried at Mottram church, is there an index for that church re grave thanks
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Post by Gay J Oliver on Jul 8, 2009 15:03:07 GMT
Hello Walmsley,
Me too! I was ex Waterloo Council School, but I think you were a year above me (Gay Cullen).
Regarding Joseph Renshaw who died circa 1958 - the only one I could find over a five year period 1956-1960 was a Joseph T Renshaw whose death was registered at Basford in the December Quarter of 1957 Reference 3c 68
I have also found the following burials at Mottram Church. I've listed them all in case others belong to you as well:
Frederick Gordon RENSHAW from 13 Stockport Road, Denton 16 August 1903 aged 9 months Hannah Maria RENSHAW from Mottram 21 January 1860 aged 3 weeks Hannah RENSHAW from Mottram 14 May 1894 aged 2 months John RENSHAW from Hollingworth 11 April 1847 aged 49 Joseph RENSHAW from Mottram 23 May 1853 from Mottram aged 63 Joseph RENSHAW from 92 Victoria Street, Denton 13 June 1923 aged 53 Margart Ann RENSHAW from 92 Victoria Street, Denton 23 November 1952 aged 84 Mary RENSHAW from Mottram 6 May 1885 aged 87 Sarah RENSHAW from Mottram 13 March 1878 aged 84
Don't forget to post again if you have any other queries. GAY
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Post by missive on Jul 25, 2009 2:01:33 GMT
Tell everyone a little about why you have joined this forum.
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Post by missive on Jul 28, 2009 2:17:49 GMT
Hi, Family History searching prompted me to join. Saddleworth and Mossley are the roots of both parents line. I got stuck early 1800 and thought someone (on the ground so to speak) may be able to help me. I migrated to Australia 1n the 1960's but visit family in the Lancashire area on occasions. My next trip will be to visit my resaech areas.
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Post by trisholdham on Aug 18, 2009 9:31:31 GMT
I am researching the Oldhams of Mottram. Looking for any information on William Oldham born 1775 Mottram married to Mary Hadfield who died in 1828, he died at the York Music Festival of 1828 aged 52, and was buried in Mottram church yard, he was very musical and also looking for any of his children.
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Post by Ann on Aug 23, 2009 11:17:47 GMT
Hi, I live in Tameside, and have been researching my family history since January 2009. The names I'm presently researching are: CROSS (Bolton/Manchester), SHARP (Cumberland/Manchester), KEVINS (Ireland), STANFIELD (Manchester), LIMBERT (Lincolnshire), CHESWORTH (Manchester), TOY (Manchester/poss. Cornwall) & BRANDWOOD (Stockport/Bury area). Genealogy is a great hobby. I'm hoping that joining the forum will help me to find out more about my ancestors, than just their names. Ann
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Post by florence on Aug 23, 2009 18:30:42 GMT
Tell everyone a little about why you have joined this forum. Hi, I live in Tameside, and have been researching my family history since January 2009. The names I'm presently researching are: CROSS (Bolton/Manchester), SHARP (Cumberland/Manchester), KEVINS (Ireland), STANFIELD (Manchester), LIMBERT (Lincolnshire), CHESWORTH (Manchester), TOY (Manchester/poss. Cornwall) & BRANDWOOD (Stockport/Bury area). Genealogy is a great hobby. I'm hoping that joining the forum will help me to find out more about my ancestors, than just their names. Ann Hi Ann I noiced you say Stanfield Manchester could you give any names to see if they are in our family? I married Arthur Stanfield from Droylsden Manchester.
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Post by Ann on Aug 26, 2009 15:30:27 GMT
Hi Florence,
I've recently found out that my great grandmother was Lucy Stanfield, born Manchester c 1874, who married William Cross of Gorton. Her siblings were Charles (born c 1871) and Edward (born c 1876). Her father, also Edward, died age 28, and her mother Margaret (nee Limbert) then married a John Lee/Leigh and had at least 4 children with her new husband.
Do you think they are part of your husband's family? If so, do you know anything about them?
4.9.09 Since posting the above, I've had chance to do some more research on familysearch. Although to confirm I will need to check marriage/baptism info at Central Library, I think that Edward Stanfield was the son of Charles and Mary Stanfield, and his grandparents were Samuel and Ann Stanfield m 1821, great grandparents were Richard and Susanna Stanfield m. 1797.
Ann
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Post by chris77 on Sept 9, 2009 18:37:45 GMT
Hi just plucked up courage to join, I am a complete technophobe but willing to have ago so apologies for making mistakes. I am researching my husband's family all strands of which appear settled in Mossley by early 1900's. Names are Patrick/Peter Healey "Stonemason"born S.Ireland, lived Liverpool, Dalton, Bolton, Bradford, and Uppermill. Squire Hulley born Lane, Staly in 1859 married Hannah Dalton. Walter Harlow born Bollington, Cheshire. raised in Norminglow, Staffs married Florence Annie Hawkins of Trentham, staffs. They had four daughters. Edna, Florence, Annie and Ada.
Walter Hawkins is causing a problem - his birth does not seem to have been registered (1871) and marriage cert has a blank for father. However, his mother is one of several unmarried sisters who all lived together with their children and for a long time their mother and guess what she too appears unmarried. Any ideas how to unravel this can of worms please. We have tried the obvious ones but not found anything to go on.
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Post by Woody on Sept 10, 2009 13:09:26 GMT
Hi Chris
Worry not about making mistakes – it’s the only path to real learning – and I don’t mind investing a bit of energy in your search. You’re right. I’ve only had a quick go at connecting some of these ancestors and it’s already looking like a lucky dip barrel so any bright ideas I might have are a bit thin on the ground just now.
It would help a lot if you can be a little bit more specific about dates, please. I’m also not quite sure where Walter ‘Hawkins’ fits in to the puzzle. Did you mean to type Walter ‘Harlow’, or is this another person ?
I think found Walter Harlow in the 1881, 1901 & 1911 census returns, although in 1901 he seems to have transformed into ‘Robert’ Harlow (b Bollington, 1857) and his wife has dropped her first name, ‘Florence’, preferring just ‘Annie’. If their daughter, Edna, was born at Ashbourne in 1899, that would probably confirm this is the right couple, given that we know they married in 1898 (Ashbourne).
Interestingly, in 1901, the two sisters Hannah and Harriet Harlow are also living in very close proximity (looks like Lumbard's Yard, Ashbourne). Since their place of birth is given as ‘Burton’, I’m pretty sure the 1881 transcription gives the wrong birthplace for the whole family’. The 1881 transcriber has it as 'Norminglow', but it was actually ‘Horningblow’, a suburb of Burton on Trent.
‘Robert’ Harlow has returned to being ‘Walter’ by 1911, living in Derby with wife ‘Annie’ (b 1877, registered at Uttoxeter, Staffordshire). Also in the house are daughters Edna and Florrie (b 1911). I assume the other daughters you mention were born after 1911.
I also tried a quick search for Squire Hulley, although I did find more than one person with that name. The 1901 address at Princetown, Devon for one of them looks a wee bit ominous so Squire’s history could also prove rather colourful.
If you think I’m on the right track, I’ll have a more detailed look at this stuff over the next few days so more specific information, particularly about dates and places of birth, would be very handy. Feel free to send me a private message if you prefer.
Woody
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Post by lindylou on Sept 10, 2009 16:24:32 GMT
Hello Chris, There are quite a few Healeys buried in Mossley Cemetery. There is Patrick buried 1944 aged 72yrs. Elizabeth buried 1942 aged 67 yrs and Mary Jane buried 1985 89 yrs are in the same grave. Is this of any use to you? Regards
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Post by chris77 on Sept 11, 2009 20:44:04 GMT
Hi Lindylou, Many thanks for the information on Mossley cemetery, we will go and have a look asap. Patrick/Peter did have a son Patrick Joseph so this could be a positive connection. Thanks again, best wishes
Chris77
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Post by lindylou on Sept 11, 2009 22:37:35 GMT
Hi Chris Did you know that you can go to Dukinfield cemetery and view the records? This would give the address of Patrick Healey which may help. The staff there are really helpful. Good Luck
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Post by Woody on Sept 12, 2009 7:44:34 GMT
Hi Chris
Thanks for the personal message, and for the extra information. As to mistakes, I made one myself in my previous posting - the suburb of Burton upon Trent should read ‘HORNINGLOW’, and not ‘Horningblow’.
On the Bollington/ Staffordshire ‘Harlow’ connection front, I found several potential leads. With the research information you already have, you might be able to make more of them than I can.
Bollington is a suburb of Macclesfield and a general 1851 census search for Macclesfield revealed three main sets of Harlow families, two of which had their roots in Staffordshire and one of which is potentially very attractive indeed.
They are John Harlow, an iron founder born Longton, Staffordshire in 1827, and his wife Esther born Macclesfield, 1828, living in Roe Street, Macclesfield.
I followed this marriage up on the Cheshire BMD website to find that John Harlow married Esther HULLEY at Prestbury St Peter in 1851. Of course the connection between these two surnames might just be pure coincidence, but it was so intriguing that I followed this one up with a specific 1871 search.
The family is still in Macclesfield, but at 23 Derby Street and there are now several children. I’ve verified all these children’s births through FreeBMD and Cheshire BMD (Macclesfield is East Cheshire). The website transcriptions are well out.
John Harlow – head, iron founder, age 44 born Longton, Staffordshire Esther Harlow (nee Hulley) – wife, age 43 born Macclesfield, Cheshire John Richardson Harlow – son, apprentice iron founder, age 17 born Droylsden, Lancashire Elizabeth Maria Harlow – daughter, age 11 born Droylsden, Lancashire Esther Mary Harlow - daughter, age 9 born Droylsden, Lancashire Kate Barnes Harlow – daughter, age 4 born Ulverstone, Lancashire William Meriton Harlow – son, age 2 born Macclesfield, Cheshire
It’s a long-shot, but these births are in two-year cycles so it’s not impossible that the next one was in 1871 (?Walter), and Esther is obviously still just about of child-bearing age.
Another Harlow family with Staffordshire roots was living at Beach Street, Macclesfield in 1851. They are
Henry Harlow - head, tailor, born Burton 1827 Catherine Harlow – wife, born Burton 1827 Maria Harlow – daughter, born Macclesfield 1840 Emma Harlow– daughter, born Macclesfield 1846
Moving to the Harlows in the Horninglow area of Burton upon Trent, I tried to track all the people shown on the 1881 census. One of my theories is that some of the children listed don’t actually belong to the family they're living with in the census, and there are a few curious entries that need much more exploration.
In 1881, and apart from Walter, there are three other grandchildren living with Sarah, Hannah, Fanny and Harriet - Rosa Harlow (b 1877, Mayfield, which is actually a suburb of Ashbourne) and Louisa Harlow (b 1879, Ashbourne) – but there are no birth records for either of them as ‘Harlow’. I haven’t yet looked at Edith.
A broad FreeBMD Ashbourne search reveals that the only two matching surnames are Rosa and Clara Louisa ROE. I don’t yet have an answer to this one, but it would be worth further exploration. Again, these names might have significance for you ?
The other potentially significant person I found in the 1891 Ashbourne census was Mary Harlow, born 1831 in Burton on Trent and a visitor at the home of Thomas Harlow and his family. Thomas was a retired accountant, born 1833 at Burton, and I have his ancestry back to 1861. It gets a bit more difficult before his marriage so that’s something else to try.
One interesting observation is that Mary Harlow’s personal details coincide with those of Sarah Harlow’s youngest daughter. Another is that her occupation is ‘monthly nurse’ i.e. someone who assisted mothers during the first month after giving birth which leads me to the theory I was already thinking about before I found this record.
Since there is no baby listed at the address, it might be fair to speculate that Mary was Thomas’ relative. Secondly, her occupation would give her direct and regular access to families with newly born children.
Although I might be fantasising rather than speculating, she could have been a one-person fostering or adoption agency who’d inherited the trait from her mother. Maybe the theory applies to all the Harlow children who seem to be illegitimate ? And perhaps the reason for Walter’s absence from birth records is that he was one such child, and wasn’t born Walter Harlow at all ?
I'll try to get back to reality and dig a bit more shortly, but in the meantime, it would be useful to learn whether you can make sense of any of these names ?
Cheers
Woody
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